Designer's Block

**resurepus** · 03-04-2005, 06:11 PM

I have a crisis. It is not that I am looking for a piece of advice I wish I was, but I don't think there is a solution to my problem. Why Am I writing? Don't know, just trying to share the idea that life sucks

The situation is quite simple - I have to design a menu cover for a restaurant. Nice restaurant, nothing special, but quite nice, just like many restarants here in Toulouse. It doesn't have any theme. They have mainly French cuisine (which normal here in France) but also make some chinise and Indian dishes. This restaurant doesn't even have a logo. I have talked to the owner. He doesn't have any specific suggestions for the new menu (the old one just has a picture of the restaurant on it). Just want something elegant and modern. It has been 2 days and I don't have any single idea what I should do for that menu cover.

Really hard to work when the assignment is so general...

Neupix · 03-04-2005, 06:27 PM

there is always a solution to every design problem.

Simple Solution(s):
- Don't use a logo, just find an elegant looking typeface and use that instead.

- Sit down in the restaurant for an evening, bring a sketchbook and pencil, and just brainstorm. Take note of the surroundings - the colours on the walls, any art that might be present, the people eating in the restaurant. Find something that you can work with.

- Find out what everyones favourite item is on the current menu, pick colours from that and work with them.

- Bring a digital camera and take some pictures - include the pictures in the menu if space and printing costs permit.

Just a few suggestions from your friendly neighborhood penguinman

I love it when I get complete control over the design, as long as the client is willing to accept what I come up with.

**jlinds72** · 03-04-2005, 06:29 PM

Sounds to me like you should host a contest here for it *wink-wink* Every restaurant needs a good logo!

rtbenson · 03-04-2005, 06:30 PM

Or a good menu layout!

pentool · 03-05-2005, 06:54 AM

Go to a library and look at various design books for general ideas. You just posted a link in another thread about the NY public library free digital image collection. Browse around in the collection of historic pictures. Maybe you'll find some decorative element you can use.

**resurepus** · 03-05-2005, 06:58 AM

Jenn, I would love to host a contest here, but my budget doesn't allow that

pentool, good idea, I will follow your advice!

IntuitDesign · 03-05-2005, 11:24 AM

Hello resurepus —
I can totally relate! A great way to design is to sit in front of the place and in it, until it says something unique and interesting, then build upon that. I know it sounds simple, but it's surprising what will come up. If I have an hour to design something, I'll research, watch, and think for 50 minutes, then spend 10 minutes designing. Hope this helps!

peace
jc

barrywh · 03-06-2005, 12:07 AM

PhotoShop has some outstanding filters that can turn that restaurant photo into a veritable work of art! Make it look like you spent a lot of time turning their building into a high quality oil or watercolor painting...

...Just a thought... It worked for me once with a floral shop brochure...

BrianWakeland · 03-07-2005, 06:37 AM

Well... maybe I'm saying something dumb, but... If the owner doesn't give you any useful briefing, maybe you shouldn't worry about making something so great. Maybe he just wants something simple and better looking than the one used before. Or are you thinking about using this work to include in your main portfolio?

It may seem stupid, but sometimes the answer is not to be so perfectionist.
Unless you really want to use this work to promote yourself and want it to be as good as possible, don't look for divine inspiration. Just do something

I got used to working with clients who don't have a clue and learned that sometimes, some people don't deserve our perfectionism. And this can apply to a lot of different occupations.

EDIT: also: don't create mazes on your mind thinking about meanings and connections of forms to the types of food and bla bla. When inspiration lacks, don't think like a designer. Think like a visual artist. Things have to look good. And that is the ultimate goal. Coherence of meanings and connections to reality are secondary.
Example... when making a logo to a real estate business, a very good looking, professional logo with an abstract form may be prefered to a really ugly logo with a house pictured on it.

Think of the Apple logo. It's beautiful and has a great vibe. It doesn't have nothing to do with computers. Who cares?

**resurepus** · 03-07-2005, 09:32 AM

Thanks, guys for your help! The hardest thing is to get started. Thanks God I have come up with a couple of ideas - at least something to show to the client. I will show the work to you when/if he accepts it.

And, Brian, I think I just went the way you suggest - nothing special or creative came out, but at least it is something. I really hope that when the clent will see the first versions he will have comments and suggestions which will let me know what he really wants

BrianWakeland · 03-07-2005, 10:49 AM

aceedesign · 03-11-2005, 06:31 PM

You just gotta wrestle with a pencil & paper man... they dont always just come off the top of your head!

03-04-2005, 06:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
resurepus The founder Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toulouse, France Posts: 4,592	Designer's Block I have a crisis. It is not that I am looking for a piece of advice I wish I was, but I don't think there is a solution to my problem. Why Am I writing? Don't know, just trying to share the idea that life sucks The situation is quite simple - I have to design a menu cover for a restaurant. Nice restaurant, nothing special, but quite nice, just like many restarants here in Toulouse. It doesn't have any theme. They have mainly French cuisine (which normal here in France) but also make some chinise and Indian dishes. This restaurant doesn't even have a logo. I have talked to the owner. He doesn't have any specific suggestions for the new menu (the old one just has a picture of the restaurant on it). Just want something elegant and modern. It has been 2 days and I don't have any single idea what I should do for that menu cover. Really hard to work when the assignment is so general... __________________ some selected paintings: epifanov.ru and my flickr page

03-04-2005, 06:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neupix Design Team Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 1,276	there is always a solution to every design problem. Simple Solution(s): - Don't use a logo, just find an elegant looking typeface and use that instead. - Sit down in the restaurant for an evening, bring a sketchbook and pencil, and just brainstorm. Take note of the surroundings - the colours on the walls, any art that might be present, the people eating in the restaurant. Find something that you can work with. - Find out what everyones favourite item is on the current menu, pick colours from that and work with them. - Bring a digital camera and take some pictures - include the pictures in the menu if space and printing costs permit. Just a few suggestions from your friendly neighborhood penguinman I love it when I get complete control over the design, as long as the client is willing to accept what I come up with. __________________ Neupix Media \| Nip Napp! < iPhone App Reviews and News \| Citrik Acid

03-04-2005, 06:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
jlinds72 Administrator/ Designer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,749	Sounds to me like you should host a contest here for it wink-wink Every restaurant needs a good logo! __________________ Jenn Lindsey - Freelance Graphic Designer "To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong" - Joseph Chilton Pearce My website: jennlindsey.com Please review the new rules for DesignContest.net here

03-04-2005, 06:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
rtbenson Design Team Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 175	Or a good menu layout! __________________ Test your Logo Knowledge YeahItIs WebDesign - Free Ipod Video!

03-05-2005, 06:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
resurepus The founder Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toulouse, France Posts: 4,592	Jenn, I would love to host a contest here, but my budget doesn't allow that pentool, good idea, I will follow your advice! __________________ some selected paintings: epifanov.ru and my flickr page

03-05-2005, 06:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
pentool Design Team Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washing-toon Posts: 270	Go to a library and look at various design books for general ideas. You just posted a link in another thread about the NY public library free digital image collection. Browse around in the collection of historic pictures. Maybe you'll find some decorative element you can use.

03-05-2005, 11:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
IntuitDesign Design Team Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newburyport, MA Posts: 172	Hello resurepus — I can totally relate! A great way to design is to sit in front of the place and in it, until it says something unique and interesting, then build upon that. I know it sounds simple, but it's surprising what will come up. If I have an hour to design something, I'll research, watch, and think for 50 minutes, then spend 10 minutes designing. Hope this helps! peace jc __________________ Don't look outside of yourself for the truth, for the truth is in you.

03-06-2005, 12:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
barrywh Design Team Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: West Valley City, UT - USA Posts: 28	PhotoShop has some outstanding filters that can turn that restaurant photo into a veritable work of art! Make it look like you spent a lot of time turning their building into a high quality oil or watercolor painting... ...Just a thought... It worked for me once with a floral shop brochure... __________________ -Barry H.

03-07-2005, 06:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
BrianWakeland Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 50	Well... maybe I'm saying something dumb, but... If the owner doesn't give you any useful briefing, maybe you shouldn't worry about making something so great. Maybe he just wants something simple and better looking than the one used before. Or are you thinking about using this work to include in your main portfolio? It may seem stupid, but sometimes the answer is not to be so perfectionist. Unless you really want to use this work to promote yourself and want it to be as good as possible, don't look for divine inspiration. Just do something I got used to working with clients who don't have a clue and learned that sometimes, some people don't deserve our perfectionism. And this can apply to a lot of different occupations. EDIT: also: don't create mazes on your mind thinking about meanings and connections of forms to the types of food and bla bla. When inspiration lacks, don't think like a designer. Think like a visual artist. Things have to look good. And that is the ultimate goal. Coherence of meanings and connections to reality are secondary. Example... when making a logo to a real estate business, a very good looking, professional logo with an abstract form may be prefered to a really ugly logo with a house pictured on it. Think of the Apple logo. It's beautiful and has a great vibe. It doesn't have nothing to do with computers. Who cares? Last edited by BrianWakeland; 03-07-2005 at 06:53 AM.

03-07-2005, 09:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
resurepus The founder Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toulouse, France Posts: 4,592	Thanks, guys for your help! The hardest thing is to get started. Thanks God I have come up with a couple of ideas - at least something to show to the client. I will show the work to you when/if he accepts it. And, Brian, I think I just went the way you suggest - nothing special or creative came out, but at least it is something. I really hope that when the clent will see the first versions he will have comments and suggestions which will let me know what he really wants __________________ some selected paintings: epifanov.ru and my flickr page

03-07-2005, 10:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
BrianWakeland Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 50

03-11-2005, 06:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
aceedesign Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 28	You just gotta wrestle with a pencil & paper man... they dont always just come off the top of your head! __________________ adamcdesign.com

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